ipv6 we start using it

Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems (my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration), it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some of the next steps might be? -- Nathan Sokalski njsokalski@hotmail.com http://www.nathansokalski.com/

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:29:02 -0400, "Nathan Sokalski" wrote:

Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems (my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration), it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some of the next steps might be?

Nathan,
Many folks have been asking that question. One of the problems is that there are not a lot of folks using it, because there are not a lot of websites using it. And vice-versa. The fact that Windows Networking under XP doesn't work well with it probably doesn't help either.
IPV6 will be a native part of the network stack in Vista. But will Vista drive its popularity? <http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html> http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html
-- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.

The IP v6 stack is already alive and kicking in Vista (just look at your connection's properties). What you need is an IP v6 network to connect to. That means IP v6 router(s) and server(s), and these aren't very widespread yet. In fact, I haven't yet seen any consumer IP v6 routers or switches yet, and professional ones are *way* out of my budget. -- Pierre Szwarc Paris, France PGP key ID 0x75B5779B ------------------------------------------------ Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom ! ------------------------------------------------
"Nathan Sokalski" a écrit dans le message de news: O7egMVIgGHA.2032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed | for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of | the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are | offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major | change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of | everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems | (my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system | sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static | IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some | backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs | for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration), | it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a | while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and | the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the | project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big | companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some | of the next steps might be? | -- | Nathan Sokalski | njsokalski@hotmail.com | http://www.nathansokalski.com/ | |

It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is using Longhorn Server/Vista. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:29:02 -0400, "Nathan Sokalski" njsokalski@hotmail.com wrote:
Those of you that are technical people probably know that IPv6 has existed for several years now (I'd have to check for the exact amount). But none of the Internet Service Providers that I have used or looked at since then are offering to use it with their customers yet. I realize that it is a major change because of the fact that older software might not be capable of everything, all those people that refuse to upgrade their operating systems (my dad still uses Windows 98, even though we have an extra XP system sitting around) may have some problems, and all those companies with static IP addresses will need to take care of some stuff. Even though it has some backward compatibilities (It's been a while since I looked over the specs for it, and even though I'm a developer, networking isn't my concentration), it will be a big project for everyone. But I stopped hearing about it a while ago, and with all the updates that have been going on lately (IE7 and the increase in broadband usage, for example), I'm wondering when the project will begin. Does anybody have any information on when the big companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some of the next steps might be?
Nathan,
Many folks have been asking that question. One of the problems is that there are not a lot of folks using it, because there are not a lot of websites using it. And vice-versa. The fact that Windows Networking under XP doesn't work well with it probably doesn't help either.
IPV6 will be a native part of the network stack in Vista. But will Vista drive its popularity? http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html http://nitecruzrnews.blogspot.com/2006/05/does-ipv6-have-future.html
-- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:03:13 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is using Longhorn Server/Vista.

Right.
So what will get an entire network using Longhorn / Vista? Is there really a business case for that?
-- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.

No, but Siemens did do a massive roll out of Server 2003 on 8,000 Servers and XP on 400,000 desktops, plus Office and XP supports IPv6, so its not like the transition would be PITA. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 07:03:13 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
It will probably be a sensible choice I guess if your entire network is using Longhorn Server/Vista.
Right.
So what will get an entire network using Longhorn / Vista? Is there really a business case for that?
-- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org.

"Nathan Sokalski" wrote in news:O7egMVIgGHA.2032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

Does anybody have any information on when the big companies (Microsoft, Verizon, etc.) will start pushing this, and what some of the next steps might be?

Look at computing history for your answer. Our company is still running some 16-bit GUI MS-Windows applications. 16-bit GUI MS-Windows applications first appeared in Windows 3.0 back in 1990. Now 17 years later, Microsoft is finally dropping support for them in the operating system. It's even worst for MS-DOS applications: you can run some MS- DOS programs from 1981 on existing Windows XP machines. That's _25 years_ of compatibility!
IPV6 also yields little to no benefit for most companies. Why drop Benjamins on something that doesn't produce immediate results?
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